Massacre at Ft. Hood


Yes, that’s what it was. The tragic killing of 13 people and wounding of over 30 on a military installation by a member of the military, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, is a heartwrenching story that should be investigated to the fullest and dealt with strongly through the UCMJ.

What is not necessary at this moment is the movement of the neocon right wing racists who immediately – upon learning the name of the shooter – began flooding the internet with unfounded claims and spectulation passed off as “news”.

The World Net Daily, a bastion of far right wing loons, has reported that Hasan “aided the Obama transition team”. The Drudge Report, always willing to spread rumors and spectulation, has several posts condemning the President’s “frightening insensitivity” following the shootings. The Daily Mail, another conservative neocon right wing spokes rag out of Britain, made sure mentions of the “Muslim Major” were frequent.

Other, less organized, but equally crazy right wing persons have managed to create a fake profile of Dr. Hasan on Vitals.com supposedly documenting his failures as a Psychiatrist.

The racist angle takes on an even greater scope when Michele Malkin talks about “Muslim soldiers with attitude“. Which brings about the point I want to make. Fox News is requesting that ALL Muslim soldiers receive “special screenings“.

It’s too early to make any assumptions about this act. All we know is that a seriously disturbed man took the lives of others unnecessarily. We don’t know if this is an act of terror, nor do we know that Dr. Hasan was a radical Muslim…just because he was a Muslim. To make my point a little more easy to understand, are all Christians terrorists because Timothy McVeigh committed mass murder?

There are thousands upon thousands of Muslims serving in the military. To assume all Muslims in the military are terrorists on a jihad is as racist as saying all blacks in the military hate whites or all Asians in the military eat with chopsticks.

Racist comments have no place in the investigation of this massacre. Let the military complete it’s investigation without the hate mongering going on. It will do nothing but destroy everything this country was based on.

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  2. We know everything is fine in the world when we are debating how a psychiatrist who has a role of aiding and counseling military, decides to start killing randomly these same troops? Welcome to the public option of health care! He went “postal” and a lot of men and women died because he had a bad day. Or did he plan this by buying the weapons, bringing them to his base? It seems all the weapons and ammunition just happened to be in his possession at the time he conveniently “went crazy”! These are acts of treason and a traitor. Don’t need to worry about the political dyanmite of the “terrorist” label. Death for treason is good enough.

  3. In answer to your questions:

    By your silence, are you agreeing with Crazy Ralph’s words?

    since I don’t know who “crazy ralph” is, I think it’s pretty safe to say I don’t agree with his words since I don’t know what they are? Am I responsible for everything that’s said? Are you?

    Should Hasan be shot and killed without a trial too?

    Too? You mean like his victims? No. I fully expect, and want, him to be court martialed. Although it’s possible he could get the death penalty it’s extremely rare in military courts and I don’t think the military has the firing squad for capital cases.

    When did Timothy McVeigh confess to be an atheist?

    It’s actually in the book American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh & the Tragedy at Oklahoma. All though it’s mentioned here and there. But please tell me, where did you get your information that McVeigh is a “Christian Terrorist?” And also, why would it matter to this case?

    Of course, I already know the answer, as I described here: http://thevsj.com/covering-for-maj-hasan

    Kazzy will be happy to learn that you are still reading the Politkal Gossip section in the muche. She always one of your biggest fans!

    • Who called Hasan a “civil rights hero” besides you, lilMike?

      And, sure, we’ll continue the conversation as soon as you answer the questions submitted to you:

      1. When did Timothy McVeigh confess to be an atheist?

      2. By your silence, are you agreeing with Crazy Ralph’s words?

      3. Should Hasan be shot and killed without a trial too?

      See…Mikie, the problem is you talk alot and don’t say anything constructive to move the discussion along. That’s what Kazzbian’s problem is with you, except she doesn’t have the intelligence to point it out.

      So, man up and tell us what you really think about Hasan without nitpicking every other word!

  4. Yes Howey, people do go to the muche, including you. You can say you don’t care about it, but you constantly reference it. So yes, I know no matter how few people read what I write on the muche, I know you at least you will read it.

    Now, I can’t possibly no what questions you are asking me in your post since your blog was not addressed to me, although you do reference me often in your comments and in your blog. You just can’t quit me huh? All I ask is a hyperlink. You are using my good name to promote your website. I should get a little piece of that action.

    So lets start with your inaccuracies and unsupported comments:

    I’ve never said anything about monitoring muslims in the military. I don’t know where you got that. That seems to have come out of the clear blue.

    Why is my concern of Sharia law in western countries “hate?” What have I said that is “hate” about Islam or Sharia law? Can’t I be against Western countries using Sharia without that being hate?

    Why would I hate anything that is non Christian when I am not Christian myself?

    What have I said that leads you to say, that I oppose everything that is not “white” or “Republican?” I mean, really, things that are non white and non republican are almost everything in the world. That’s a lot of hate! Whew!

    So is this a question that you want answered, “Tell me…What’s going to be left of your beloved military when all the Muslims, Blacks, gays, immigrants and everyone else who doesn’t follow the creed of the right wing haters is kicked out?”

    I mean really, is this a serious question?

    Basically, with you, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a racist and you don’t feel you have to justify it. But of course, your inability to defend your positions and having to result in crass name calling is one of the things which make me feel that I always win in an argument with you. You don’t waste time with facts or reason; just go for the name calling! See? I win!

    As for ekg’s comment, I sincerely hope that this is just a crazy man. The proverbial “lone nut” But so far, there seems to be quite a bit of evidence going the other way. A lone nut would be a much easier answer for us to take. But go ahead and consider “allah akbar” nothing to do with religion. Besides covering your ears, may I also suggest closing your eyes as well.

    • –But go ahead and consider “allah akbar” nothing to do with religion. Besides covering your ears, may I also suggest closing your eyes as well.-

      oh no,you’re not turning this around..

      I didn’t say it didn’t have anything to do with religion.. in fact I’ve said the opposite…it’s been my argument the entire time that is was his religious “Hail Mary full of grace” prayer..not his call for jihad before unleashing extremist Islamic terrorism upon us…. I said it doesn’t always have to do with politics.. which you claim the Allah Akbar means it 100% must be political….

  5. ok.. what was the political part of this… what? that he didn’t want to be deployed? That’s not political that’s not wanting to go to work..

    yelling Allah Akbar? as I’ve said, it’s a prayer and just saying it doesn’t make anything political.. especially since it’s said as much in the Muslim world as ‘bless you’ is said in the Christian world.. so the only thing left for you.. you, not me.. to attach your political hopes on is his skin color and his name.. that’s it..

    you want this to be political and terrorism so bad you can taste it can’t you? why.. why can’t it just be a crazy man who would do anything to get out of going to war..and he just happened to be Muslim.. why must you twist this to make it a Muslim extremist terrorist attack?

      • that guy is a fucking loon…and he’s a disgrace to the human race..

        I hope to God Mike doesn’t side with him..

      • Of course lilMike’s agreeing with him!

        This is what Peters said:

        “On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting “Allahu Akbar!” committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.”

        Sound familiar???

        You don’t think Mike’s going to play the affirmative action card? I’m willing to bet you that either he, Sam, Jeffrey’s Private Dick, Icee or Draven will be bringing it up on the muche…

        While I can agree with the statement that “The Army dropped the ball”, I’m also inclined to think that why the Army dropped the ball was because:

        a. There’s not enough troops to go around to deal with these unnecessary wars. What with being forced to serve second, third and fourth tours they’re all coming back shell-shocked to the nth degree. PTSD cases, which the Major treated, are at an all-time high and growing even more. Psychologists and psychiatrists in the Army are few and far between…if the Army’s at fault it’s because they turned a blind eye to the Major’s outbursts because they had to…not because he’s a Muslim.

        b. If Mike and Peters had their way (as I stated before) the military would be lily white and pure…just like the neocons and right wing kooks want. It’s all about the racism inherent with (in Mike’s words)their kind of “ilk”.

        I’ve been saying for years lilMike’s racism shows clearly in his words and it comes truer every time I read what he writes. I know you didn’t want to believe it out of your friendship with him and the bantering that comes with it but you have to admit it’s become outrageous lately.

        Remember the old phrase, “He who protests the loudest…”

      • —-a. There’s not enough troops to go around to deal with these unnecessary wars. What with being forced to serve second, third and fourth tours they’re all coming back shell-shocked to the nth degree. PTSD cases, which the Major treated, are at an all-time high and growing even more. Psychologists and psychiatrists in the Army are few and far between…if the Army’s at fault it’s because they turned a blind eye to the Major’s outbursts because they had to…not because he’s a Muslim.—-

        that’s what I think.. it’s why they’ve kept a few ‘red flag’ cases.. not just Muslims, but even the guys who gang-raped that little girl and then set her and her family on fire to cover it up…

        which is something I can’t understand.. we’re not going around with pitch-forks hunting all the white guys b/c 5 raped that girl.. even tho the reason for the rape and murder was b/c the ring-leader said “I want to kill and hurt a lot of Iraqis.”.. No one attach a ‘political’ motive to that..No one mentioned his ‘anti-Iraqi’ views… But now, when a Muslim says “anti-American propaganda”.. well then it’s Islamic extremist terrorism..

        Who’s to say this guy wasn’t just doing what hundreds of others do each year.. suicide by cop? and as he walked around, knowing he was going to die, he repeated the equivalent to the Lord’s prayer?

        whatever, like Gryff so ignorantly highlighted and then missed.. white ppl only haveto say a few times that they don’t agree with something and then they never have to say it again.. but if you’re Muslim, you damn well better convert and go around all day long telling every white man you see that you don’t agree with extremists or you’ll be lumped together with every Muslim whack-o-nut out there.. b/c we’ve been brainwashed into only caring if the person behind the attack is Muslim.. we don’t care if they’re white,Hispanic, a congresswoman for MN calling inciting revolutions or an ex-serviceman with a political column calling for the murder of a POW.. none of that is terrorism or worth a gander.. but someone saying a prayer? Oh well that’s 9/11…

  6. Why is skin, hair, and eye color a determinate for you in determining terrorism? No, what Rodriguez did wasn’t terrorism because there was no political motive for his act. If it comes up in the investigation that he did have some sort of violent political agenda I’ll change my position, but right now, he seems to fall in the category of bitter ex-employee. There is no hair, skin, or eye color attached to that.

    Astounding though, that this many years after 9/11, you don’t know what terrorism is. No, just because you squeeze a trigger doesn’t make you a terrorist.

    • Skin, hair and eye color isn’t a determinate for us, Mike. It is for you. You’re the one backing “monitoring of Muslims in the military). You’re the one who used to constantly post crazy little threads over on the muche (does anyone go there anymore?) about Sharia law this and Sharia law that in an attempt to spread your hate of anything that’s not white, Christian, and Republican. As usual, when losing on all points (and may I point out: again!) you attempt (quite unsuccessfully btw) to direct your argument elsewhere.

      What ekg and I are saying is that you (and your right wing neocon racist buddies) took one crazed action by a nutty Major who wanted out of the military (after being subjected to harrasment, racism, and hate by his fellow military members) at all cost!

      Tell me…What’s going to be left of your beloved military when all the Muslims, Blacks, gays, immigrants and everyone else who doesn’t follow the creed of the right wing haters is kicked out?

      A military composed of white, male, so-called God fearing, so-called Christians fighting to “purify” the nation and the world.

      I think in our country that’s called a “militia”. And not in a good way!

      BTW…I’ve asked a lot of questions of you in this post. When are you planning on answering them?

  7. whether he shouted it or not Mike, it was a ‘terrorist’ attack.. had he been blond haired and blue eyed, it would have been the same ‘terrorist’ attack.. the guy who shot up O-town, that was a ‘terrorist’ attack..

    the difference is, we aren’t lumping all Hispanics together because of Rodriguez.. Howie’s point of McVeigh is we didn’t’ lump all blond hair blue eyed white boys after oklahoma city…

    and when a Christian does go on to shoot abortion doctors b/c his God told him too.. we don’t lump all Christians into the same pile either..

    under none of the above circumstances do you have a major news organization calling for ‘special screenings’ of all whites,Hispanics,Christians in the military…

    it was always a terrorist attack..but your biased and Fox news’ overreaction on the “Allāhu Akbar” part is only being made for political gain.. nothing more nothing less.. had he been any other religion, who would have cared..

    case in point… Jason Rodriguez.. what God does he pray to? what do you mean you don’t know.. he committed a terrorist attack yesterday pretty damn close to your home..shouldn’t his religion be all up in your knowledge of useless information?

  8. Ah Howey, you fulfill all of my expectations of you!

    First of all, McVeigh. Funny how his name is all over the internet again in the past 72 hours. Why does your ilk always try to justify other killings, by invoking his? Honestly, he is the poster child of what the left views as the real enemy: The Christian Terrorist. Just one problem: He wasn’t a Christian, at least at the time of the bombings. McVeigh, like many people, had a continuum of religious belief. Although he was born a Catholic, there doesn’t seem to be much evidence that he was devout in any way, after the bombing, interviews with Army buddies described him as an atheist. The interview which you refer to was taken while in prison. Prisoner McVeigh may have had a bit more time to reflect and before he was executed he saw a priest, and for all we know repented. However, that has nothing to do with his mindset when committed the bombing. I certainly never heard an interview when he said that God inspired him to bomb the federal building, or hearing him ascribe any religious motive to the bombing. So, as much as you and the left want it to be so, he is not a “Christian Terrorist.” He’s just a terrorist.

    Now on to allu akbar. You two really do crack me up sometimes! Your spin and irrational justification of his shouting that phrase doesn’t even hold up under your own analysis. Yes, ekg, if an armed gunman started to mow down people while shouting, “Jesus saves!” “Thou shall not suffer a witch to live,” or some Bible verse, I don’t have to be a mind reader to put two and two together and figure that there were some sort of religious motivation to that. If a guy shoots an abortion doctor while shouting, “Thou shall not kill,” would you say that we don’t really know the motivation of this person, and it’s racist to ascribe a religious motive to the shooting?

    I think we already know the answer to that. It’s on the muche.

    As I originally said, “If the reports that the Major said “alu akbar” during the attack, are true, that would seem to settle the issue that the motive was political, and therefore a terrorist act. Of course, so much of the early reporting has been wrong, it’s hard to say at this point.”

    This NPR story does seem to indicate he had some serious religious issues though:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120162816

    So I’m still waiting for the reporting to get straightened out and am open to a different motive or conclusion depending on that and what’s learned from the CID/FBI investigation. But you guys seem to have already made up your minds: Nothing to see here, lets concentrate on McVeigh and Bachman as the real terrorists.

    And of course, call everyone a racist who doesn’t fall in line.

  9. Allāhu Akbar

    This phrase is recited by Muslims in numerous different situations. For example, when they are happy or wish to express approval, when they want to praise a speaker, during battles, and even times of extreme stress or euphoria.

    so, if he said the christian equivalent of ‘praise the lord’ or ‘God bless’… then he must be a Muslim extremest and this must be a Muslim terrorist attack? Since nut-bags who behead and suicide bomb say the same thing and since it’s a prayer to the God they believe in and is also used instead ‘applause’.. Then anyone saying it must be watched carefully for fear that they will snap and start beheading babies..

    sheesh..

    racial/religious profile much there Mike?

    wtf is it with the GOP and anyone who is not white,male and (Christian only)God fearing..

    I know I’ve said you only see black and white on any given issue and never see the gray area, but God Lord, tell me you’re not taking that to skin color/religion…

    How about we wait and see where this leads before stoking the fear fire.. Christ, hasn’t Bachman killed enough ppl already by fanning the ‘census-worker/death camp’ fire..do we really need to start lynching all Muslims who serve honorably in defense of this country because of a lone nut who looks like them and believes in the same God as them?

    we don’t persecute ppl for their beliefs here, remember? you fought for their right while you served.. you should be aleast somewhat upset that your party is not only calling for persecution of certain religions.. but that the crazies(racists) they have following them will see it a open season on anyone of color.. and since 1/2 of them can’t tell a Muslim from a Hindu .. Pandora will be waiting..

    • Great points, Kelly (as usual!) Let me tell you a story. Every Saturday afternoon I help out at the food bank. Today, there were two guys there talking about the massacre. One of them said something to the effect of “Yeah, but I think the guy’s an American! But he’s got dark skin like them Arabs and Pakistani’s!”. The other guy responded “He can’t be an American, he had a funny sounding name!”

      Therein lies the problem. People like those two guys are uneducated and, for lack of a better word, ignorant. They can’t believe someone who might have dark skin or has a “funny” name is an American. It’s scary.

      Even scarier is the fact that there are supposedly educated, non-ignorant people out there like lilMike who use fear, hate, and racist words to convince the uneducated that what they’re spouting out is the truth, so help them GOD!

      When we have liars and haters out there like lilMike and the Limbaugh, Beck, Malkin, O’Reilly crowd of FOX News stating that every single Muslim in the military should be “watched”….America has a problem.

  10. If the reports that the Major said “alu akbar” during the attack, are true, that would seem to settle the issue that the motive was political, and therefore a terrorist act. Of course, so much of the early reporting has been wrong, it’s hard to say at this point.

    Now how is atheist McVeigh a “christian” terrorist? Shouldn’t you actually pick someone who is actually a christian for your “christian terrorist” example?

    Oh, and thanks for reading!

    • When did McVeigh confess to being an atheist? At best he’s been referred to as saying he’s agnostic, but that’s never been confirmed. In an interview with Time magazine, he was quoted as saying (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,109478,00.html#ixzz0WB9qmvLb):

      MCVEIGH: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.

      TIME: Do you believe in God?

      MCVEIGH: I do believe in a God, yes.

      What’s funny, Mike, is that in that same interview, McVeigh conveys the same attitude towards government as you do:

      MCVEIGH: I think it all has to do with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and the misconception that the government is obliged to provide those things…

      As far as him shouting Allahu Akbar…I appreciate your supposed mind reading abilities, but you don’t know why he said it. To assume that every Muslim that yells out Allahu Akbar is a terrorist is a far stretch, even for your little racist mind, isn’t it?

      What this appears to be is the case of a single deranged person who didn’t wish to deploy to a war zone, who was under an extreme amount of stress for quite a few reasons (including racist harrasment from his fellow soldiers because of his religion).

      To assume anything else, as you are doing, is racist fearmongering and not valid at this time. Of course, racist fearmongering is your modus operandi, isn’t it?

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